[yak@collab] Re: What's your most dangerous idea?

[Mark Szpakowski <szpak@xxxxxxxx>]

On Jan 7, 2006, at 1:04 PM, Peter P. Jones wrote:

Adaptation

… to use feedback to correct for unexpected or incorrectly predicted events. Even if the anticipation of events is imperfect and the response to them less than accurate, adaptive systems may remain stable in the face of sizable jolts …

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What if the test for new forms is considered to be the old form?

All we get is the old form again.

Yes, this is the question of how to grow new form. Here's how I play with that.

A form (re)defines the elements describing it.

So it's hard to know which elements to focus on without being in the form.

Finding the new form that solves a problem or resolves a situation is "call-by-future":

the form only makes sense (literally) in terms of its elements

its elements get re-defined by their form

A pattern for leaping into creating that binding form

is to punt

to call-by-future (which collapses the state vector aka closure)

We humans are call-by-future for our software

(paradigm therefore is symbiotic care/intelligence in our software)

What is our call-by-future?

We also punt

and there is a practice of punting

...

Ie, I think we can put the call-by-future pattern into our software

call that pattern

by building in UI/invocation hooks to

leadership, wisdom, care, learning, warriorship, presencing

ourselves calling by future

I'm thrashing around doing something like this.

One intriguing thought: the Ruby community is vibrant and active

(I say Ruby, not just Rails...)

the language is powerful enough to play with such concepts

That might be a good locale for such activity, leading to effects,

Through tying that in to creating satisficing solutions to global problems

That's my dangerous idea: call-by-future

- Mark

On Jan 7, 2006, at 1:04 PM, Peter P. Jones wrote:

Some quotes from http://web.uvic.ca/akeller/pw408/r_satisfice.html

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[Herb Simon on:]

 Evolution

The simplest scheme of evolution is one that depends on two processes; a generator and a test. The task of the generator is to produce variety, new forms that have not existed previously, whereas the task of the test is to cull out the newly generated forms so that only those that are well fitted to the environment will survive.

Internal Limitations

What a person cannot do he will not do, no matter how much he wants to do it. Normative economics has shown that exact solutions to the larger optimization problems of the real world are simply not within reach or sight. … the behavior of an artificial system may be strongly influenced by the limits of its adaptive capacities.

Adaptation

… to use feedback to correct for unexpected or incorrectly predicted events. Even if the anticipation of events is imperfect and the response to them less than accurate, adaptive systems may remain stable in the face of sizable jolts …

</quote>

What if the test for new forms is considered to be the old form?

All we get is the old form again.

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Peter

Jack Park wrote:

Herbert Simon, one of the "fathers" of artificial intelligence, got a

Nobel Prize for coining the term "satisfice."

Jack

On 1/7/06, Peter P. Jones <ppj@concept67.net> wrote:

Many of the problems in the world today are the result of people being

fussy about pennies, being miserly because their sums don't add up.

Governments and banks letting people suffer and die because their sums

don't add up.

My dangerous idea is to ask whether we need precision in accounting

systems, or whether in fact the human race would be a lot better off if

we were all really sloppy about tracking money.

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Peter

Jack Park wrote:

From [1]

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WHAT IS YOUR DANGEROUS IDEA?

The history of science is replete with discoveries that were

considered socially, morally, or emotionally dangerous in their time;

the Copernican and Darwinian revolutions are the most obvious. What is

your dangerous idea? An idea you think about (not necessarily one you

originated) that is dangerous not because it is assumed to be false,

but because it might be true?

</quote>

Answers (75000 words) found at [1]

Jack

[1] http://www.edge.org/q2006/q06_index.html

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