There have always been vested interests. And there have always been
ways around them. It is a question of where the foothoot can be found
and how you can get enough momentum to outrun them. (01)
For every obstructionist, there is someone else who could
make things happen if things were set into motion. (02)
Jack Park <jackpark@gmail.com> writes: (03)
% Consider this.
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% There exists the airport known as San Jose International here in
% California. It's actually a little backwater general aviation airport
% that grew up in the shadow of SFO (San Francisco International). There
% exists a system known around here as Bart (Bay Area Rapid Transit).
% This is a rail system not unlike the people carriers in London,
% Washington D.C. and elsewhere around the world.
%
% When Bart was to be brought to the SJI (not its actual initials)
% airport, the airport administrator refused to grant rights to do so.
% The reason given: the airport depends on revenue generated by the
% parking lots.
%
% With mentalities like that in existence (similar problem in San
% Francisco: the bus drivers would lose jobs if Bart went to SFO), how
% is it that any "club" will ever succeed?
%
% Social engineering is going to have to wait until "the system"
% (whatever that is) finally collapses and those in power and authority
% lose their jobs. That's my take on reality. Not a pretty one.
%
% Jack
%
% On 8/31/05, John Sechrest <sechrest@jas.peak.org> wrote:
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% > "Peter P. Jones" <ppj@concept67.net> writes:
% >=20
% > % John Sechrest wrote:
% > % > Ok. Given that the marketing pattern and the meme are identified.
% > % > And I have someone who I will ask about that process,
% > % > what do you want the club to do?
% >=20
% > % > Goal: Clean, green, sustainable, saved world with no poverty and
% > % > conflict in less than 5 years
% >=20
% > % > IE, once you are a member of the club, then what happens?
% >=20
% > % The 'club' works for specific objectives.
% >=20
% > This is the place where I am having a hard time seeing the jump.
% > So we market to the wide world about the club. And then
% > how does joe sixpack in georgia help on the goals? How
% > are we calling them to action?
% >=20
% > Or are we marketing to the technotwits who would actually do the
% > building? Or to the moneymagnets who would fund the process?
% >=20
% > A) What is the market focus for the club (who is the audience)
% > B) How does the marketing call them to action.... Specifically.
% >=20
% > % As you said, a more specific view of that is:
% > % > - How do you create energy from the sun to cost effectively
% > % > Desalanate LARGE quantities of sea water
% >=20
% > % Double curve solar focus evaporation plants built over/near the sea is
% > % one option that looks cheap. Solar powered pumps. Use evaporation
% > % technologies over sea water to create steam directly to power Stirling
% > % engines to pump...
% >=20
% > Yes, this is an interesting approach, help me get from the club
% > to how this goal gets resolved.
% >=20
% >=20
% > % >
% > % > - How do you create food management systems that allow you to
% > % > use recycling water systems and local food supplies to create
% > % > local green house food systems that will work independent
% > % > of how much heat you have outside or not.
% >=20
% > % How much power does the refrigeration unit of a lorry currently take?
% >=20
% > About 300 watts, I think
% >=20
% > % Exploit spaces underground?
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% > Yes, possible.
% >=20
% > % Can sunlight be piped around?
% >=20
% > Yes, there are current products.
% >=20
% >=20
% > But these are all technical questions. Back to the social engineering
% > question. How do you get from the marketing to a call for action?
% >=20
% >=20
% > % > - How do you create a transportantion system that will move
% > % > people and materials with no use of fossil fuels and is
% > % > sustainable independent of the world temperature.
% >=20
% > % I believe solar-powered recharging of air engines (or battery
% > % technologies if they can be made cleanly enough) combined with
% > % solar-electric.
% >=20
% > Our solar panels are a) too expensive and b) too low conversion
% > to be able to sustain the economy. To make that happen we need
% > either cheaper solar or more effective solar/$
% >=20
% >=20
% >=20
% > % At this point the funding question arises. Maybe part of what the 'clu=
% b'
% > % does is to find ways to overlook certain costs through mutual charity.
% > % Maybe part is finding and persuading sources of funding.
% >=20
% > Can we name an existing or past activity that ran into this funding prob=
% lem
% > to fund a technological transformation that accomplished it
% > in 5 years?
% >=20
% >=20
% > % > And we have social problems that need to be solved:
% >=20
% > % > - How do we make decisions now that enable the long
% > % > term to be sucessful. How do we remove the
% > % > process that allows short sighted broken politics
% > % > from playing at the core of our systems.
% >=20
% > % We need to find a replacement for, or suitable adaptation of, nation
% > % state monetary systems, to reduce money to a global means of circulati=
% on
% > % at one level, and more democratically controlled investment at another=
% .
% >=20
% > what is the gentle way to do this in 5 years?
% >=20
% > Do you suggest a global currency that is the mirror of the local
% > currencies that are popping up?
% >=20
% >=20
% > % > - How do we prevent the us vs them process from being
% > % > the focal point of our activities.
% >=20
% > % By being utterly open about what we are doing and that it is for every=
% one.
% >=20
% > I don't mean us vs them in terms of our actions, I mean us vs them
% > in terms of how the population as a whole reacts to stress.
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% > % I don't believe shortage of technology is the problem. The core proble=
% m
% > % we are all trying to address is making the requisite coordination
% > % happen. That will be a central aim of the existence of the 'club': to
% > % create the circumstances in which people are free to make these things
% > % happen together. All the 'club' is for is to gather up various aspects
% > % into unity of focus and resulting action. It is a way of allowing peop=
% le
% > % to signal to each other that questions of personal interest and
% > % impedance of process are put aside.
% >=20
% > Ahh. That is an intesting statement. tell me more on this.
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% > . Internet: sechrest@peak.org
% > .
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