'Twas a "sortof yes". (01)
Yes, but not by simple means. It's gonna take some hacking. It would be
nice if, within the yak community, there were sufficient ego-less
hackers that could come together to create precisely what is needed. I
talked to this point once (maybe twice) before, stuff about herding cats
and horney billy goats. It seems unlikely to happen. Herding cats would
be easy, as has been stated many times, including when I said, at Tom's
Asilomar conference: just break out the meow mix. Billy goats,
experience tells me, are not herdable during mating season, which is
anytime there is a doe anywhere nearby. (02)
I have my own set of visions, Eric has his, Eugene, I think, has some
solid ideas, and, no doubt, so does everyone else on this list. (03)
What this list should be doing is using the Wiki to aggregate, argue
about, and finally, evolve a satisfactory matrix of properties and
corresponding values associated with usecases, scenarios, and
requirements for the answer to your underlying question. Then, by means
of waterfall, XP pairs, oo-design, ISO 9000, whatever, let the
implementations explode on the scene. You know, Eric, Eugene, and I had
this very same conversation on the unrev-II list nearly three years ago.
What goes around, comes around, but, it would seem, keeps going around.
It never stops. That, I think, is the aspect of what we are up to which,
um, sucks. (04)
Nobody should forget the lectures put forth by The Doug (Engelbart) in
such exercises, for, as I think Eugene would have it, yak is a kind of
NIC, and well it should be. (05)
Jack
Gary Richmond wrote: (06)
> Jack,
>
> Was that a "yes" or a "no"? :-)
>
> Actually, I'm finally picking up
> enough "geek talk" that while I'm not
> familiar with all of the tools, etc.
> you commented on, your response was
> clear enough even for this non-geek
> (who suffers from has his own geekwannabe
> syndrome).
>
> Gary
>
> Jack Park wrote:
>
>> "Perhaps there's some simple means to link interested
>> yakers to Jon's series as it unfolds without their subscribing to
>> another list? "
>>
>> And thus, Gary, you reopen the thread which is central to *this*
>> list, and *not* off topic to the subject I chose here.
>>
>> Indeed, blueoxen is orbiting the *inquiry oriented systems*
>> attractor, and that is a complex basin, but not an unstable or
>> necessarily a chaotic basin. I think it is possible to formulate some
>> cluster of strategies, each of which would be semantically
>> interoperable with the others, which would provide room for
>> agnosticism in implementation details, and would answer your question
>> in the affirmative <that is a prime example of statements emitted by
>> people profoundly affected with geek syndrome>.
>>
>> Thanks to Tom, I'm now roaming about Orkut. It's pretty cool. It
>> really needs the augmented social networks stuff added, and, I think,
>> it needs to harbor a bloggosphere within itself as well. But, there
>> is more it could do.
>>
>> Of course, that doesn't answer the query about how to participate in
>> Jon Awbrey's inquiry without joining yet another list. At one time
>> in the past, Jon was very active with version 1.0 of NexistWiki, but
>> the database crashed when the uninterruptable powersupply driving my
>> server decided to reset itself just when someone was updating the
>> database. Some of Jon's stuff got destroyed and the site, itself, got
>> retired in favor of later versions. Jon never returned. I don't blame
>> him. Had the site survived and been imported into newer versions, the
>> entirety of Jon's inquiry would be available for active comment using
>> the online dialog mapping tools of NexistWiki and the blogs it also
>> provides, complete with transclusion and linking services.
>>
>> I suppose that I am suggesting that the future, my opinion here, is
>> being pointed to by the interactivity, backlinking, and other
>> services being now provided by the bloggosphere. What is not fully
>> fleshed out in blogging is the storytelling aspect of it. I also
>> don't think that aggregation is the right technology; I've said it
>> before: the bloggosphere demands a topic map. Right now, storytelling
>> with blogs is good, but not necessarily where it could, maybe should be.
>>
>> Jon's lectures make good stories in their own right, and make grand
>> fodder, when rendered addressable, for blogging by knowledgeable
>> people. It is precisely that notion that drives much of my own work;
>> provision for the ability for people to engage in deep and profound
>> discussions leading to the discovery of epistemological frameworks on
>> which further inquiry will flourish. I think that blogs, far more
>> than email, are the future. But, email is not dead, and should not
>> be. Just as soon as you can perform all your interactions with a
>> familiar email client, we're home free. I submit that the Columba
>> email client, when combined with the Glow calendar, can support the
>> communications/collaboration aspects of inquiry. I further submit
>> that those clients, when combined with Ceryle, will result in one of
>> the most powerful outlook killers of all time.
>>
>> Jack
>> Gary Richmond wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Jack,
>>>
>>> I fully agree with you as to the profundity of Jon's inquiries and
>>> was struck especially by this new thread exploring the relationship
>>> of the 3 normative sciences to each other, a theme dear to my heart.
>>>
>>> Perhaps a problem with anyone here commenting on the note you posted
>>> might be that Jon's further notes may answer questions or objections,
>>> clarify matters, etc. (you posted his note #2; he's already up to #6),
>>> this being a possible problem within an "economy of research" only.
>>>
>>> Nevertheless, I would be the last person to discourage discussion of
>>> Jon's analyses, there being most relevant to certain of the concerns
>>> of this list IMO. Perhaps there's some simple means to link interested
>>> yakers to Jon's series as it unfolds without their subscribing to
>>> another list?
>>>
>>> Gary
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> (07)
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