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[yak@collab] Re: "Something"

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From: John Sechrest <sechrest@xxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 18:03:23 -0800
Message-id: <200311260203.hAQ23Na26453@jas.peak.org>


Eric Armstrong <Eric.Armstrong@Sun.COM> writes:    (01)

 % I know nothing about blacksmithing, although I'd like to
 % know more. I do know a bit about hand-tool woodworking,
 % old time logging with hand tools, and scything.    (02)

Old tools and tool making sounds like a winner to me.    (03)





 % On the sports side, there's volleyball, softball, golf,
 % and martial arts.
 % 
 % Then there's programming languages (20 to pick from).
 % 
 % Other topics of major interest include who shot kennedy,
 % who was jack the ripper, who was shakespeare.
 % 
 % Or could center on one of the great books of the day:
 % DaVinci Code, Revelation of the Knights Templar, Holy Blood,
 % Holy Grail, and all of the underlying mysteries -- especially
 % the Ossirus/Isis, Sol Invictus, and Dionysian myserties that
 % seem to lie at the heart of the matter.
 % 
 % Would *love* a good discussion on these -- but would expect
 % a "Wiki-war" between rabid believers on either side of the
 % issues. (It's a case where inability to delete or edit
 % others' words is an absolute necessity, given the emotions
 % and convictions of the parties involved.)
 % 
 % Or could try to make up an ontology for J2EE and present
 % in serial, easy-to-absorb fashion. (It's been hard to
 % find that kind of info!)
 % 
 % 
 % John Sechrest wrote:
 % > Great eric,
 % > 
 % > What topic area would you like to engage with me about on wikipedia?
 % > 
 % > Personally, I was thinking something off beat like blacksmithing
 % > or glassblowing. 
 % > 
 % > However, I would like to hear from you about a topic that you could
 % > put some energy into. 
 % > 
 % > Both Blacksmithing and Glassblowing are under represented, given
 % > the geekish nature of wikipedia.
 % > 
 % > Do you have a topic that you want to talk about, which is somewhat
 % > off the geekish path on wikipedia?
 % > 
 % > 
 % > 
 % > 
 % > 
 % > Eric Armstrong <Eric.Armstrong@Sun.COM> writes:
 % > 
 % >  % Ditto. Yes. And heck of a good idea about using WikiPedia.
 % >  % 
 % >  % John Sechrest wrote:
 % >  % 
 % >  % >  % cdent@blueoxen.org wrote:
 % >  % > 
 % >  % >  % > This "something" is the crux of the biscuit. I've long felt that
 % >  % >  % > a group without the "something" is just massaging themselves and
 % >  % >  % > the other members. Massaging is good, it keeps things in motion
 % >  % >  % > and causes a lot of idea exchange (as expressed in this and
 % >  % >  % > related threads of late), but nothing, other than conversation
 % >  % >  % > and good feelings, happens at the massage parlour. The action is
 % >  % >  % > out there, in the world. A massage can help you get back on the
 % >  % >  % > field, feeling refreshed, but you gotta do something.
 % >  % >  
 % >  % >  I find with my time constraints and my attention constraints, that 
 % >  % >  I can not engage fully in doing a "something" that is a big 
something.
 % >  % >  I can peel away a few hours now and then. And I can peel away a full
 % >  % >  day about once a quarter. However, I can not spend a serious amount 
 % >  % >  of time and energy on a project, without finding some way to fund 
it. 
 % >  % > 
 % >  % >  I am sure most other people have the same problem.
 % >  % > 
 % >  % >  So, for me, to find a something that I can work on is something
 % >  % >  that requires that it be broken up into chewable chunks.
 % >  % > 
 % >  % >  What thing could we as a group do , that would take a small finite
 % >  % >  number of chunks to complete, and at the same time would 
 % >  % >  advance our goals?
 % >  % > 
 % >  % >  Here is a possible task:
 % >  % > 
 % >  % >       Let us go to http://www.wikipedia.com and let us identify 
 % >  % >       some sub area of discussion. And let us define and refine
 % >  % >       the definition for a series of pages on the wikipedia,
 % >  % >       which would a) help the wikipedia, and b) cause us to 
 % >  % >       focus in on a "something" that was concrete.
 % >  % > 
 % >  % > 
 % >  % > 
 % >  % >  
 % >  % > 
 % >  % > 
 % >  % > 
 % >  % > 
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sechrest@peak.org
 % >  % > Corvallis Oregon 97333               .                  (541) 754-7325
 % >  % >                                             . 
http://www.peak.org/~sechrest
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 % > John Sechrest          .         Helping people use
 % > CTO PEAK -              .           computers and the Internet
 % > Public Electronic         .            more effectively
 % > Access to Knowledge,Inc       .                      
 % > 1600 SW Western, Suite 180       .            Internet: sechrest@peak.org
 % > Corvallis Oregon 97333               .                  (541) 754-7325
 % >                                             . http://www.peak.org/~sechrest
 % > 
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John Sechrest          .         Helping people use
CTO PEAK -              .           computers and the Internet
Public Electronic         .            more effectively
Access to Knowledge,Inc       .                      
1600 SW Western, Suite 180       .            Internet: sechrest@peak.org
Corvallis Oregon 97333               .                  (541) 754-7325
                                            . http://www.peak.org/~sechrest    (05)

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