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[yak@collab] Re: Columbia space shuttle report

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From: Bill Seitz <bill@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 09:26:11 -0400
Message-id: <3F4CB173.9080005@fluxent.com>
A few random notes:    (01)

* do you really think it's possible for the astronauts to repair /any/ 
damage during the flight? If not, what does such a goal say?    (02)

* do you think engineering "modifications" (implied low cost) will allow 
a significant portion of potential repairs to be made in-flight? Given 
other critique of the overall shuttle design, how many modifications 
make sense?    (03)

* NASA's history seems to me /not/ to be a rational-if-implicit trading 
off of requirements, but rather of talking a high-safety game while 
actually (a) ignoring warnings and (b) not even understanding the 
statistical analysis necessary to evaluate risk. 
<http://www.floridatoday.com/columbia/columbiastory2A48513A.htm>    (04)

* compare this to Robert Martin's recent piece "We will not ship shit" 
<http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=7588>    (05)

Eric Armstrong wrote:
> Peter P. Jones wrote:
> 
>>> From http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3181599.stm
>>
>> "The shuttle is expected to take off again next summer, but under 
>> strict constraints. "Engineering modifications will have to be carried 
>> out so that astronauts will be able to repair any damage caused to the 
>> shuttle during the flight. "Missions will have to lift off during 
>> daylight hours, to allow photographs to be taken to assess the risk of 
>> damage, and the shuttle will have to be capable of docking with the 
>> ISS to allow the crew to be rescued, if need be."
>>
>> It's got to be asked: Why the heck didn't they design them like that 
>> in the first place?
>>
> Well, one certainly wishes in retrospect that they had.
> 
> But the buck stops at the top. I liked the Airforce guy who said that
> NASA was trying to meet conflicting budget, schedule, and safety goals,
> and that safety too often came last.
> 
> But who is it that imposes the tight budget and schedule constraints
> that say, "it's worth doing this, but only if it costs less than $$$
> and you show progress by <fill in the date> so the American public
> thinks they're not throwing away gajillions of dollars".
> 
> After capitol hill, the buck comes back to us.
> 
> There's a limit to how much we want to spend, and a limit to how long
> we want to wait. And even with the best and most conscientous effort,
> there is a limit to closely we can approach perfection.
> 
> (P.S. I agree that the design concept mentioned in your message
> is superior. I just wanted to make the general point that NASA
> has been doing an incredible job, given its constraints.)
> 
> 
> 
> 
>     (06)

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