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[yak@collab] Re: Carpenter story

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From: John Sechrest <sechrest@xxxxxxxx>
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 19:25:32 -0800
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<cdent@blueoxen.org> writes:    (01)

 % >  I do not experience this natural refactoring at all.    (02)

 % Do you have a positive experience of working in a high
 % performance team?    (03)


Rarely. Some at HP, long ago. Not lots at OSU. There are
        3 examples of reasonable team/committee work that I can
        come up with.    (04)

        But even so, people don't seem to step back and do 
        meta work naturally.     (05)


 % >  % - people who want to collaborate, but haven't chosen a solid goal
 % >
 % >  % The latter type must enforce a certain rigorous attitude toward
 % >  % information sharing (because they are not swept up), and might be
 % >  % described as people who all go to the same swimming hole, like
 % >  % the company, enjoy a good barbeque but go into the pool in turns,
 % >  % taking what they need, and leaving behind some contribution or
 % >  % other.
 % >
 % > Wow. That is certainly not how I would characterize the world.
 % 
 % I wasn't characterizing the world, I was characterizing this
 % group. I think we need a goal or we're never going to have a
 % covenant, and we'll all pleasantly hang out around the pool,
 % enjoying ourselves.
 % 
 % That's not bad; in fact I think we've shared a lot of great ideas
 % here, but I think there is room for more. Underlying the
 % questions I've been asking is a search for a common, concrete
 % goal that we can amplify.    (06)


 I think that group boundries are often fluid. And the goal
 of the moment and the goal next week of the group may vary
 at some level. So, you can't divide the world neatly like you did.    (07)

 And I think that some of the collaborative skills are useful 
 in amplifying any group.    (08)

 Just like when you learn how to type, you get some facilitation
 of your work. And now that I have a lap top, I take it to committee
 meetings. And I type my notes right there. And at the end of the meeting
 (if I have network access), I mail my notes out directly to the group.    (09)

 This kind of meta level planning for group action seems to 
 propel the committee forward faster.     (010)

 I try to make sure my notes include all my meta level understanding
 of what was going on at the meeting.    (011)


 As for the goal of this group, I think we are clear on it.
 We want to find ways to amplify collaborative work, thru the
 use of computer tools.    (012)








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