I see (said the blind man). Thanks. (01)
What I am missing is, indeed, no experience with what you are using.
Cutting and moving things around has never been a capability available
in anything I have ever written (except as noted below). I suppose the
case can be made for something like "refactoring"; indeed, I think that
word has been tossed around since early unrev days. (02)
Refactoring was available in NexistWiki 1.0 but never made it into later
versions, and refactoring didn't change purple numbers because they were
not keyed to some location on a page; rather they are unique (to the
database) identifiers and remain valid no matter where a paragraph is on
the page, or any page for that matter. Refactoring only allowed the
original author (an nobody else except superusers) to re-sequence
paragraphs on a page or delete a paragraph. (03)
I didn't buy into all the freedom the "wiki in the wild" permits. I got
that by reading the email list at the early wikipedia site (back when
they were just crossing 5000 chapters). They had serious problems with a
couple of "editors" and even debated tossing out pure freedom of
expression. The saving grace was the cvs that backed up their wiki and
a few people who would find bogus edits and pop back to the original
material. (04)
Jack (05)
Chris Dent wrote: (06)
>On Tue, 17 Feb 2004, Jack Park wrote:
>
> > I suppose I am confused on two counts here. The notion that something
> > can move,
>
>We need to define "something", it's being too ambiguous.
>
>We also need to define our context. We are talking about
>documents that are processed by PurpleWiki to have PurpleNumbers.
>
>A wiki page or a blog entry is made up of chunks of text, let's
>call them paragraphs. Wiki page and a blog entry have a permalink
>(the canonical link that takes you to the wiki page or the blog
>entry). Wiki pages and blog entries do not move.
>
>Paragraphs have NIDs (PurpleNumbers).
>
>Wiki pages and blog entries can be edited. When they are edited
>it is possible to move a paragraph from one page or entry to
>another page or entry.
>
>
> > is one, and, secondly, how you are using the term
> > "transclude", which, to my understanding of Ted Nelson's definition
> > (and, I'm sure this must be what you mean), that there is only one
> > instance of some object.
>
>In PurpleWiki, because granular addressability was the first
>goal, it is paragraphs that are transcluded, not entire wiki
>pages or blog entries.
>
>In PurpleWiki when a transclusion is done, a paragraph that exists in
>a wiki page or blog entry (and a few others things) is
>re-presented in a different wiki page or blog entry.
>
> > What am I missing?
>
>I'm not sure as I don't know what it is that you are missing
>other than perhaps some experience with using PurpleWiki. Let's do a
>little exercise:
>
>* go to
>
> http://www.burningchrome.com:8000/~cdent/wiki.cgi?SandBox
>
>* edit that page to add a standalone paragraph
>
> JackPark was here
>
>* When the page loads up note the new PurpleNumber next to the
> text you added. Let's call it $nid in our discussion.
>
>* Click on JackPark and edit the text of that page to add
>
> [t $nid]
>
> (replace $nid with the real value, case sensitive)
>
>* When the page loads up after you save, it will include
> "JackPark was here T"
>
>* If you click on the T it will take you back to SandBox.
>
>* Edit that page. Cut the "JackPark was here {nid $nid}" line and
> save the page.
>
>* Go to
>
> http://www.burningchrome.com:8000/~cdent/wiki.cgi?ChrisDent
>
>* Edit the text of that page and paste, at the end, what you
> previously cut.
>
>* When the page reloads, click on JackPark. You should see
>
> 'transclusion index out sync'
>
> because the nid:url index is now out of date.
>
>This is all I've been trying to report.
>
>Adding a link wherever a purple number shows up that goes to a
>page which is sort of the metadata home and comment launching
>point for that paragraph (as described above) is something that
>could be nicely integrated into the PurpleWiki suite if index
>management is done.
>
>
>
> (07)
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