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[tools-yak@collab] Re: having students write in a wiki

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From: John Sechrest <sechrest@xxxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 11:23:17 -0700
Message-id: <200305141823.h4EINH523286@jas.peak.org>




I don't ask the students to not use the wiki, just not to post
the final solution until late.    (01)

Part of this is that some part of the class (30%) 
coast and don't do work and rely on the work of others.    (02)

So there is a problem with this process in that respect.    (03)

To fix that I try to assign individual assignments, but 
at this point in the course, I can't do that.    (04)




cdent@blueoxen.org writes:    (05)

 % On Tue, 13 May 2003, John Sechrest wrote:
 % 
 % >    Post this write up to the wiki on the day the assignment
 % >    is due. Do not post it earlier. 
 % 
 % Your assignment sounds very interesting and probably a _serious_
 % education for many of the students.
 % 
 % However, I do have one gripe or insight but I'm not sure how to
 % get around it.
 % 
 % I think of Wiki's as scratchpads: they are ways to fluff ideas
 % around, think some thoughts and (Peter are you listening?) create
 % concepts that you may not have initially known were there. My
 % method for writing in a wiki is to just write and whenever I get
 % to a concept I think needs a little more flesh but I don't know
 % what that flesh is, I mush some words together. After I submit
 % the current page I go back and fill those words in if I have
 % something for them.
 % 
 % If you are telling your students to not post their results to the
 % wiki until the assignment is due, they don't get the benefit of
 % using the Wiki as thinking tool that may operate on the order of
 % days.
 % 
 % I assume you are delaying the posting to avoid "cheating". That's
 % a difficult challenge in teaching situations. My attitude of late
 % has been to essentially encourage what amounts to cheating
 % amongst people who are learning technical skills. Stealing/using
 % other people's ideas is one of the primary skills a programmer or
 % system administrator must have.
 % 
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