> Damn, this looks good. Thanks for posting it, Jack.
>
> I am impressed that they are starting with what appears to me
> the 100% right approach to the problem.
>
> Does anyone have contact info for John Cowan, or know what
> the architecture is implemented in?
>
> I had another "grand vision" this morning -- actually, a return to
one
> of Doug Engelbart's visions that I had earlier discarded, with just
> a bit of a twist that makes it suddenly appear to be eminently
> sensible, and a potentially viable starting point for serious collab
> tools (anyone hooked yet?). This thing could fit into that picure
> *very* nicely.
>
> Peter Jones wrote:
>
> > There's a link on the Elephant home page to ElephantStatus
> > http://www.lojban.org/wiki/index.php/ElephantStatus
> >
> > Elephant implementation effort has restarted as of 2003-02-08.
> >
> > Here is the Elephant status as of 2002-10-03:
> >
> > Infrastructure:
> > Message-base object: previous version abandoned, new design,
> > implemented!
> > Message object: previous version abandoned, new design
> > Wiki-compatibility interpreter: coded and tested
> > Entity interpreter: partially designed
> > Document types:
> > Document properties table: written
> > Document templates: written
> > Email templates: written
> > Form-filling templates: written
> > CGI programs:
> > Elephant viewer: designed
> > Elephant poster: designed
> > Elephant user editor: partially designed
> > ElephantClerk tools: barely thought about
> >
>
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> > Last edited on February 13, 2003 7:23 pm.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jack Park" <jackpark@thinkalong.com>
> > To: <tools-yak@collab.blueoxen.net>
> > Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 4:11 AM
> > Subject: [tools-yak@collab] Lojban Wiki
> >
> > > http://www.lojban.org/wiki/index.php/Elephant
> > >
> > > "Elephant is a concept that John Cowan has been contemplating for
a
> > while
> > > now, based on the IBIS approach to discussing open-ended issues.
> > >
> > > Elephant is a combined Web server and mailing list (hopefully the
> > jboske
> > > mailing list); people post to the Web server, which forwards the
> > postings
> > > to the mailing list. To fully participate, one must sign up for
both.
> > >
> > > Initial postings to Elephant consist of Issues: an issue is
typically
> > a
> > > question. Responses to Issues must (to a first approximation)
consist
> > of
> > > Positions on the issues. Responses to Positions are Arguments,
either
> > pro
> > > or con.
> > >
> > > Everything starts when someone posts an Issue at the Web site. The
> > Issue is
> > > sent to the mailing list, with an URL at the end. Click on this
URL,
> > and
> > > you are at the Web site posting a Position. URLs at the end of a
> > Position
> > > posting are for posting a pro Argument or a con Argument. Of
course,
> > you
> > > can go to the web site first, navigate to the Issue or Position
you
> > wish to
> > > respond to, and post directly from the site.
> > >
> > > The idea here is to prevent the looping behavior of typical
mailing
> > lists,
> > > where people just repeat their arguments ad nauseam. The
> > > Issue-Position-Argument structure prevents this looping, because
one
> > can
> > > see each person's Position spread out in space, not just
serialized in
> > time."
> > >
> > > By the way, Lojban is a fork in the Loglan path. Loglan was
invented
> > as an
> > > exercise in testing the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis that language one
uses
> > > affects one's thinking capabilities. Loglan was created as a
logic
> > > language. There is some evidence that Loglan could serve as a
kind of
> > > natural language for computing. Lojban is, as I recall, what
happens
> > when
> > > you disagree with Loglan's inventor and decide to roll your own.
> > >
> > > So, it would appear, at first glance, that the Lojban people are
using
> > IBIS
> > > to evolve Lojban. A cursory look at the list
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jboske/ indicates that they are,
indeed,
> > > using Lojban, resorting to English in most cases.
> > >
> > > My read is that the Elephant page is more of a proposal. I don't
see
> > the
> > > list itself in action. Anybody find it?
> > >
> > > Jack
> > >
> >
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> > >
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