There's a link on the Elephant home page to ElephantStatus
http://www.lojban.org/wiki/index.php/ElephantStatus (01)
Elephant implementation effort has restarted as of 2003-02-08. (02)
Here is the Elephant status as of 2002-10-03: (03)
Infrastructure:
Message-base object: previous version abandoned, new design,
implemented!
Message object: previous version abandoned, new design
Wiki-compatibility interpreter: coded and tested
Entity interpreter: partially designed
Document types:
Document properties table: written
Document templates: written
Email templates: written
Form-filling templates: written
CGI programs:
Elephant viewer: designed
Elephant poster: designed
Elephant user editor: partially designed
ElephantClerk tools: barely thought about (04)
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Last edited on February 13, 2003 7:23 pm. (06)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack Park" <jackpark@thinkalong.com>
To: <tools-yak@collab.blueoxen.net>
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 4:11 AM
Subject: [tools-yak@collab] Lojban Wiki (07)
> http://www.lojban.org/wiki/index.php/Elephant
>
> "Elephant is a concept that John Cowan has been contemplating for a
while
> now, based on the IBIS approach to discussing open-ended issues.
>
> Elephant is a combined Web server and mailing list (hopefully the
jboske
> mailing list); people post to the Web server, which forwards the
postings
> to the mailing list. To fully participate, one must sign up for both.
>
> Initial postings to Elephant consist of Issues: an issue is typically
a
> question. Responses to Issues must (to a first approximation) consist
of
> Positions on the issues. Responses to Positions are Arguments, either
pro
> or con.
>
> Everything starts when someone posts an Issue at the Web site. The
Issue is
> sent to the mailing list, with an URL at the end. Click on this URL,
and
> you are at the Web site posting a Position. URLs at the end of a
Position
> posting are for posting a pro Argument or a con Argument. Of course,
you
> can go to the web site first, navigate to the Issue or Position you
wish to
> respond to, and post directly from the site.
>
> The idea here is to prevent the looping behavior of typical mailing
lists,
> where people just repeat their arguments ad nauseam. The
> Issue-Position-Argument structure prevents this looping, because one
can
> see each person's Position spread out in space, not just serialized in
time."
>
> By the way, Lojban is a fork in the Loglan path. Loglan was invented
as an
> exercise in testing the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis that language one uses
> affects one's thinking capabilities. Loglan was created as a logic
> language. There is some evidence that Loglan could serve as a kind of
> natural language for computing. Lojban is, as I recall, what happens
when
> you disagree with Loglan's inventor and decide to roll your own.
>
> So, it would appear, at first glance, that the Lojban people are using
IBIS
> to evolve Lojban. A cursory look at the list
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jboske/ indicates that they are, indeed,
> using Lojban, resorting to English in most cases.
>
> My read is that the Elephant page is more of a proposal. I don't see
the
> list itself in action. Anybody find it?
>
> Jack
>
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